GREEK NUGGET or FOOL's GOLD?

GREEK ‘NUGGET’ or FOOL’s GOLD? 

It is claimed that in the Bible there are multiple words for ‘love’ in the Greek and that the English doesn’t distinguish between them as well as Greek does (despite English also having multiple words for love). The claim is that agape is DEEP love and phileo is CASUAL love. John 21 (“lovest thou me … feed my sheep”) is upheld as the primary example. Let’s see how that pans out by taking this simple test. Guess which Greek word for ‘love’ (?) is the correct one and we’ll see if that difference holds up:

1. Peter . . .seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved (?) John 21:20 (19:26; 21:7) 

2. the other disciple, whom Jesus loved (?) John 20:2 

3. For whom the Lord loveth (?) he chasteneth. Heb 12:6 

4. As many as I love (?), I rebuke and chasten Rev 3:19 

5. ye love (?) the uppermost seats in the synagogues ... Luke 11:43 

6. love (?) greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues Luke 20:46 

7. the Father himself loveth (?) you, because ye have loved (?) me. John 16:27 

8. If any man love (?) not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema. 1 Cor 16:22 

9. For the Father loveth (?) the Son. John 5:20 

10. Greet them that love (?) us in the faith. Titus 3:15 

11. ... ye yourselves are taught of God to love (?) one another. 1 Th 4:9 

12. unto unfeigned love of the brethren see that ye love (?) one another." 1 Pet 1:22 

13. He that loveth  (?) father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: ... Matt 10:37 

14. But God commendeth his love (?) toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Rom 5:8 

15. That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love (?) their husbands, to love their children, Titus 2:4 

16. So ought men to love (?) their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. Eph 5:28

Here are the correct answers: 1. A 2. P 3. A 4. P 5. A 6. P 7. P 8. P 9. P 10. P 11. A 12. A 13. P 14. P 15. P 16. A 

That leaves us with some interesting results:  

1&2 Did Jesus have a deep love for His disciples or a casual love? 

2&3 Does the Lord chasten those He loves deeply or casually? 

5&6 Do they love greetings deeply or casually? 

7&8 Are we supposed to love the Lord deeply or casually? 

9. Wait, the Father only loves the Son CASUALLY? 

10&11&12 Do we have to love the brethren casually or deeply? 

13. We only have to love our parents CASUALLY? 

14. God only loves us CASUALLY?!?!? 

15. Wives only have to love their husbands CASUALLY. 

16. Husbands have to love their wives deeply.

As you can see, the agape/phileo distinction does not hold. In fact, it creates a lot of nonsense. The CONTEXT determines what type or degree of love is being spoken of, not some false Greek “nugget”.

John 21:15-17 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. 

If Jesus said something to Peter a SECOND time and a THIRD time, that means each time Jesus was saying the SAME THING.

Word or word?

Which is our final, absolute authority? The Word (capital W = Jesus Christ) or the word (lower case = written scripture)?

Jesus said the written word is the ultimate authority. You wouldn't know who Jesus was without the written word. John 12:47-48 for example.

God says the written word is not only "very pure" (Ps 119:140), but a higher authority than His holy name and more sure than the actual voice of God (2 Pet 1:19).

Without the written word, they don't know who Jesus is or what is required for salvation.

Anybody can say anything about what "Jesus" told them - but the written word is there for everybody to see and confirm.

There are plenty of fake Jesuses (Mark 13:21). How do we know which one is the right one? By His written word! So the most important thing in the universe becomes - which word is the right one?

 REPENTANCE

This is not about the KJB specifically, but it's some excellent stuff from Chip Pardi on a very important topic:

REPENTANCE DEFINED BIBLICALLY

What repentance is NOT:

• It is NOT sorrow

• It is NOT turning

• It is NOT a work

• It is NOT an action

• It is NOT something that must always result in an action

• It is NOT turning from sin

• It is NOT a willingness to turn from sin

• It is NOT changing your ways

• It is NOT a hallowed term that only applies to salvation

• It is NOT a hallowed term that only applies to sin

What repentance IS:

• Biblical Repentance is a change of mind.

Nothing More. Nothing Less.

REPENTANCE IS NOT SORROW

Sorrow can LEAD to repentance.

If sorrow leads to repentance, then sorrow is a separate thing from repentance -

"...that ye sorrowed to repentance...godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation..." 2 Cor 7:9,10

 

REPENTANCE IS NOT TURNING

Sometimes turning happens BEFORE a person repents

Jeremiah 31:18, 19 -

“ I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God. Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.”

“turn me and I shall be turned”

 

Ephraim needed to be turned before he would repent.

“AFTER that I was turned I repented”

AFTER Ephraim was turned, THEN he repented.

Sometimes turning comes AFTER repentance -

Ex 13:17 -

"Lest.. the people repent (change their mind) when they see war and they return (turning) to Egypt.."

1. they see war

2. they change their mind about leaving Egypt

3. They return to Egypt

The turning of the Israelites would come AFTER the repentance.

Some will point to parallel scripture to show repentance and turning are the same thing -

1 Kings 8:47 KJV

Yet if they shall bethink themselves in the land whither they were carried captives, and repent, and make supplication unto thee in the land of them that carried them captives, saying, We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness;

2 Chronicles 6:37 KJV

Yet if they bethink themselves in the land whither they are carried captive, and turn and pray unto thee in the land of their captivity, saying, We have sinned, we have done amiss, and have dealt wickedly;

There are three phrases that don’t match -

repent/turn

Make supplication/pray

Done perversely/done amiss

Supplication is asking or begging for something.

Making supplication can be done during prayer but it is not a synonym for prayer.

Doing perversely and amiss are not the same thing.

Perverse is a deliberate twisting. Amiss is to simply be wrong and miss the mark.

They can relate to one another but they are not the same.

Neither are repent or turning the same thing.

Some even try to disprove the Biblical definition of repentance as a change of mind by showing that the Bible uses both the phrase “change of mind” and “repent.”

 

If both phrases are used in scripture, they must be different things.

 

Then they’ll turn around and say that the Bible’s use of the two different phrases “turning” and “repenting” ARE the same thing.

 

The inconsistencies of those that want to complicate Biblical repentance are truly astounding.

Here's another prooftext used to try and prove that repentance is turning -

“Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.” - Acts 20:21

Acts 20:21 says repentance TOWARD God.

Therefore, repentance must mean turning.

However, the rest of the verse says “faith TOWARD our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Does faith mean turning also?

The verse is more relational than directional.

Repentance IN RELATION TO God.

Faith IN RELATION TO our Lord Jesus Christ.

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REPENTANCE IS NOT AN ACTION NOR DOES IT ALWAYS RESULT IN ACTION

2 Corinthians 7:8 -

“For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.”

Paul repented that he sent a letter to the Corinthians, but then did not repent. Repentance took place, but no action whatsoever took place.

 

REPENTANCE IS A CHANGE OF MIND

Repentance can be found from Genesis to Revelation. Repentance happens before the law, after the law, Old Testament, New Testament, before a person is saved and after he is saved, in the age of grace and in the Tribulation.

 

Repentance is done by the lost, the saved, and God Himself.

You'll be hard pressed to find anyone in scripture that repents as much as the Lord does.

Genesis 6:6-7; 1 Samuel 15:11; Exodus 32:12-14; 2 Samuel 24:16; 1 Chronicles 21:15; Psalm 106:45; Jeremiah 18:8; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13-14; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 3:9-10; 4:2

There is one definition that matches every single time repentance appears in scripture.

 

There is only one definition where you don't have to cherry-pick select verses to make repentance mean what you want.

 

The one simple straight forward and scriptural definition of repentance is a change of mind.

Scripturally, repentance is nothing more and nothing less than that.

 

Anyone who fights against the simple definition of repentance being a change of mind ultimately ends up turning repentance into a deed in some way, shape or form.

If repentance is going to bring salvation then it must lead to faith, but it doesn't have to lead to faith and it doesn't have to bring salvation to be repentance.

 

A person can repent, but not get saved (Matt 27:3). A person can repent and get saved. A person can repent after salvation. A person can repent and act upon it. A person can repent and not act upon it.

 

 

 

Are YOU a son of God?

John 3:16 is the most recognizable verse in the entire Bible. The King James says:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

How do other versions translate this, the most popular salvation verse in the entire Bible?

NIV 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

ESV 16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

LV 16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son so that anyone who believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Mess 16 “This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son.

RSV 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

(I could add other modern versions, but this is enough to show the trend)

Wait - are YOU a son of God (or a child/daughter if you are female)? NOT according to your favorite modern version! They all have Jesus as God's ONLY son. So you are NOT a son of God, according to your modern version.

Of course the KJB included "only BEGOTTEN son", which makes all the difference! Jesus was God's only BEGOTTEN Son. Jesus was not God's ONLY son. I am a son of God. So are you, if you trust in Him for your salvation.

And you can clearly see the KJB is not more difficult to understand here. If your Bible version is WRONG here, in a key salvation verse, what else might it be wrong about? Why risk it? Stick with the proven Bible.

NIV SUPPORTS ABORTION!

 

(stolen from someone who says he stole it from some Italian named Dominic)

NIV SUPPORTS ABORTION:

NIV Num 5:27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

KJB Num 5:27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

Nothing about a miscarriage in the KJB.

No wonder my friends don't like it when I expose the different Bible versions.

Lordship Salvation

Rom 10:9 (KJB) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 

There can be some legitimate dispute on whether "confess with thy mouth" is literal or figurative, whether it applies to salvation or after salvation - but it's indisputable that the passage is saying Jesus is already Lord, we do not confess that He is Lord to be saved. We confess the Lord Jesus Christ. The specific words we say or pray are not as vital as what we BELIEVE.

Rom 10:9 (CSB) If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:9 (NLT) If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:9 (ESV) because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:9 (NET) because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:9 (RSV) because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:9 (ASV) because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved:

Rom 10:9 (DBY) that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised him from among the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:9 (BBE) Because, if you say with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and have faith in your heart that God has made him come back from the dead, you will have salvation:

Rom 10:9 (NIV) If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:9 (NASB20) that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Rom 10:9 (NASB95) that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; ALL these modern versions teach that you must confess "Jesus is Lord" to be saved. That's NOT the same thing. It's only about salvation. We know the modern versions don't affect any important doctrines, right? Therefore, salvation must not be an important doctrine.

BIBLE on the MOON (and Antarctica!)

10:15 mark in the video. 

One certain Bible version has been to all seven continents (including Antarctica) and the moon! Guess which one? 

https://tij.tv/shows/the-book-that-went-to-the-moon-2/

If there's a God and if God is God - do you really think that's just an accident? 

Our church's Bearing Precious Seed Ministry has distributed King James Bibles on ALL seven continents - including Antarctic, where the late Fred Swanson brought some. I don't know of any other Bibles on Antarctica. 

The King James Bible has been quoted in space, quoted on the moon, and taken to the moon. I know of no other version that has.

Out of the ashes of a tragedy came the Apollo Prayer League with a mission to land a Bible on the moon in Ed White's name. - The First Lunar Bible

Rev. John Stout's and the Apollo Prayer League completed the quest to land the Bible on the Moon. - Reverend John Stout, Director, the Apollo Prayer League