DO MVers LOVE JESUS?

In a word: no.

That sounds harsh, but here's why:

John 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

How can we love Jesus and keep His words, when we don't have His words? If all we have is errant copies, we don't have His words. We cannot keep His sayings, no matter how badly we want to, and we can't love Jesus.

To keep God's words would include obeying them as well as reading, studying, and memorizing them, which would require actually HAVING them.

A Burger King version adherent doesn't even HAVE the pure word of God. Thus he can't read, study, or memorize the pure word of God. Therefore, a modern versionist cannot love Jesus, since he CANNOT KEEP God's pure words.

In fact, a mv advocate doesn't even believe GOD could keep His own words, much less than we could. If an mv advocate claims he can keep God's pure words, even though God couldn't, he is admitting that he is an authority over God and God's word.

Is SALVATION an "important doctrine"?

The anyversionists claim that the "message" is still retained in the modern versions, that no important doctrine is messed with. As we'll see, apparently salvation is not an important doctrine to modern version supporters:

Is the "narrow way" HARD?

KJV Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

ESV 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Holman 14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.

CEV 14 But the gate to life is very narrow. The road that leads there is so hard to follow that only a few people find it.

Nkjv 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

The modern versions make salvation hard/difficult, when it is actually quite easy. That's a serious difference dealing with the vital doctrine of salvation.

The narrow way is EASY. Getting saved is easy, just believe on Jesus Christ. No effort at all. The scriptural examples of how easy it is are things like, opening a door, drinking water, eating bread, and all them actually require more effort than believing on Jesus.

Living for Christ is EASY, even though Christian sissies (which can be any of us) might sometimes think it's hard.

Mt 11:30  For my yoke is EASY, and my burden is light.

Pr 13:15  ... the way of transgressors is HARD.

Now YOU might think the narrow way (either getting saved or walking with Christ) is hard or difficult, but God says it is easy. If you disagree, your disagreement is not with me, it's with God. Take it up with him, set him straight on the matter.

We see a similar phenomenon here.

Is it HARD to get into God's kingdom?

KJV Mark 10:24  And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

The KJV notes that it is hard for those who TRUST in RICHES to enter the kingdom - that's because we must TRUST in CHRIST - and then entering the kingdom is EASY. But the modern versions still make it hard:

NIV The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!" (the NASV reads almost the same)

NASB The disciples were amazed at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!

Holman But the disciples were astonished at His words. Again Jesus said to them, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!

NWT But the disciples gave way to surprise at his words. In response Jesus again said to them: "Children, how difficult a thing it is to enter into the kingdom of God!"

ESV And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, "Children, how difficult it is to enter the kingdom of God!

NLT This amazed them. But Jesus said again, "Dear children, it is very hard to get into the Kingdom of God."

CEV The disciples were shocked to hear this. So Jesus told them again, "It's terribly hard to get into God's kingdom!" 

Now it is not just hard, not just difficult, not just very hard, it is now terribly hard. At this rate the next version that comes out will have to say "it is impossible".

Why do the modern versions omit the vital words "TRUST IN RICHES"? Prominent KJV naysayer James White says, "This variant gives us an instance where the modern texts follow a very small minority of Greek texts (White, The King James Only Controversy, p.169)."

The truth of the matter is that the United Bible Society and the Nestle/Aland Greek texts can muster only 4 (that's four) Greek MSS. that omit the phrase, viz. the ever untrustworthy Sinai and Vatican Codices, D (Delta) and Y (Psi).

The Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) rests on much greater manuscript evidence than our present example, yet it is rejected by these Bible critics as spurious. This simply shows the selective deceit they exhibit when wanting to find error in the KJV.

(Some of this material was stolen from Marty Shue)

Was ADAM MADE or did he BECOME?

Look at this one in the NIV:

God’s word describes Adam as being “made a living soul.” The NIV, however, follows the evolutionary philosophy of the world and changes God’s word to say that Adam “became a living being.” In the NIV man was not created,but instead just “became.” This evolutionary slant fits in nicely with the Roman Catholic teachings.

KJB 1 Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul.

NIV 1 Cor 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being.”

Besides promoting or opening the door for evolution (and the evolution compromises like Theistic evolution or Rossism), the NIV translation is just plain ridiculous. It directly implies that the first man Adam was not a "living being" when he first appeared. It omits the idea of Adam being MADE, and doesn't tell us how he got here. But when he was first here, he was not yet a "living being"; He had to "become" a living being. And the word is NOT "being" it is SOUL.

Satan is indeed subtil, but since he has already gotten away with so much in all these fake Bible versions that NOBODY believes are the infallible words of God anyway, now he is getting even more bold in his perversions.

Stolen from Will Kinney

MV HALF-BAKED JESUS

My claim:

"the modern versions portray (Jesus) as a mere human with an inherited sin nature like the rest of us."

A modern version advocate response:

I have yet to see this in any evangelical modern version. Please give examples for the New American Standard as well as the New King James.

SAME ORIGIN

(KJV) Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

(RSV) For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified have all one ORIGIN. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

(ESV) For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one ORIGIN. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers.

Here's a subtle, but important difference there. Of course the serpent was the most subtle of all creatures, so we know where the subtle changes come from. We are one in Christ, but we do not have the same origin - Christ has no origin (except in the modern versions as we'll see). We have origins. The RSV and ESV have just brought Jesus Christ down to our mortal level. They have made a mere man out of Jesus, which means he NEEDS a Saviour himself - he certainly can't BE one.

ANCIENT ORIGINS

(KJV) Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose GOINGS FORTH have been from of old, from EVERLASTING.

This is a clear prophecy of Jesus Christ. Prophecy is one of the key proofs that the Bible is the Supernatural word of God. And this is one of the most stunning prophecies of Jesus Christ - it gives the very town He will be born in, what family He'll belong to, and some specific things about His life - all in one little verse written 700 years before Jesus was born. Let's see the daily horoscope try that! Surely no Bible version would mess up at such an important place.

(NIV) ... whose ORIGINS are from of old, from ANCIENT times.

What? Whose origins? From old, ancient times? Either that's not talking about Jesus, or they are making Jesus into a created god like the cults do.

(RSV) ... whose ORIGIN is from of old, from ANCIENT days.

Oh oh, same thing.

(NLT) ... one whose ORIGINS are from the DISTANT PAST.

(CEV) ... someone whose FAMILY goes back to ANCIENT times.

(ESV) ... whose ORIGIN is from of old, from ANCIENT days.

His origins are from the distant past. No, that's not better at all, it still strips Jesus Christ of His deity and makes Him a created false god. He is not the everlasting Word/Son of God.

How can a Christian convince an evolutionist from such versions? We're supposed to be apt to teach and able to convince the gainsayers of God's truth. How can we do that with a Bible version that says what they believe? And that's what they do say! That's why we call them per-versions. How can a Christian witness to a lost person and tell Him about Jesus when the lost evolutionist can grab almost any modern version and show that Jesus wasn't God, He had an origin, and He wasn't the Creator! The multi-version creationists have a different Creator than the King James Bible!

Those two verses should be enough to make any Christian with the brain waves of lime jello chuck his fake Bible and get the real one. 

CREATED BY WHO? WHEN?

(KJV) Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the BEGINNING of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things BY JESUS CHRIST:

Let's try the supposed 'best-seller', the 'conservative' NIV:

(NIV) ... which for AGES PAST was kept hidden in God, who created all things. [by nobody]

Ages past? What does that tell you? Not much. Not as much as "from the beginning" - that is specific, settled. And Somebody is missing from the verse. Who might that be? Only Jesus Christ - apparently nobody important if you want to have a Bible version with the "same message".

(NASB) ... which for AGES has been hidden in God who created all things; [by nobody]

Same problems.

(ASV) ... which for AGES hath been hid in God who created all things; [by nobody]

Same again - it's a conspiracy! Let's try the liberal versions.

(RSV) ... mystery hidden for AGES in God who created all things; [by nobody]

(ESV) ... mystery hidden for AGES in God who created all things, [by nobody]

(NLT) ... God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. [by nobody]

(CEV) God, who created everything [by nobody], wanted me to help everyone understand the mysterious plan that had always been hidden in his mind. 

Hey! Two versions (NLT & CEV) that got it half right! Except they left out Jesus too. What good are all these versions (seven, yeah eight of the most popular) that leave out Jesus? BTW, Jesus Christ is in the Greek Textus Receptus here. My Nestles Alexandrian Greek text omits Jesus Christ, but has a footnote, and the critical apparatus lists several Alexandrian texts that contain Jesus Christ. Why would a modern version want to take Jesus Christ out of the Bible? Who would be the inspiration for that?

Maybe the New KJV get is right. That's translated from the same manuscripts, they say.

(NKJV) ... which from the beginning of the AGES has been hidden in God who created all things THROUGH Jesus Christ;

Closer, but still not there. "Beginning of the ages" sounds like a compromise of a politically correct liberal politician. Even the NotKJV doesn't have Jesus Christ actually doing the creating. The Real King James has the creation done BY Him, but the New King James has the creation done "through" Him, which can mean almost anything. That sounds like a politically correct Catholic liberal politician.

Is removing Jesus Christ only a "minor" change that "doesn't affect any doctrine" and has the "same message"?

It is essential to specify Jesus Christ, God the Son, the Word of God made flesh, as the Creator. That's one of the great ways to prove that Jesus is deity, that He is God. The modern versions have diluted the doctrine of the deity of Christ - yet they claim they don't affect any major doctrine. Apparently the Godhood of Christ is not a major doctrine to modern version editors - and it isn't, if you read some of what they say.

How can you witness to a lost evolutionist (or any lost person), that Jesus Christ is the Creator, when they can take virtually ANY popular modern version and find Him stricken from this verse? Here's another similar passage:

ONLY BEGOTTEN WHO? WHAT?

(KJV) John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN SON, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(NIV) No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

(ESV) No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

The NIV and ESV call the One at the Father's side, "God the One and Only" and "the only God". Does that mean the Father is not God? The verse doesn't even say that Jesus is God's Son at all here, it refers to THE Father. That doesn't even say He's Jesus' Father!

(NASB) No one has seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN GOD who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

(AMP) No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only BEGOTTEN GOD, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].

The NASB and Amplified read along with the JWs NWT doctrine and makes Jesus a BEGOTTEN GOD, instead of a begotten SON. Yet, MVers will reject the NWT and accept the NASB or Amplified as "valid" Bibles, despite this BLATANT DAMNABLE HERESY of making Jesus a CREATED god. For this one horrific heresy alone, the NASB should be rejected by anyone with the spiritual discernment of a dried raison.

(RSV) No one has ever seen God; the ONLY SON, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.

(NLT) No one has ever seen God. But his ONLY SON, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart; he has told us about him.

(CEV) No one has ever seen God. The ONLY SON, who is truly God and is closest to the Father, has shown us what God is like. 

The RSV, NLT, and CEV err in the other direction. Whereas the others omit the word "Son", these omit the word "begotten". So now we have Jesus being the ONLY Son of God. Batfeathers! ANY saved person is a Son of God! This is a doctrinal error.

No matter how you slice it, these all say DIFFERENT things. They do not say the same thing in different words. They do not have the same "message" or doctrine here.

FIRSTBORN *OF* EVERY CREATURE, OR FIRST CREATED?

(KJV) Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn OF every creature:

(NIV) ... firstborn over all creation.

(NASB) ... firstborn of all CREATION.

(AMP) ... Firstborn of all CREATION.

(ESV) ... firstborn of all CREATION.

(ASV) ... firstborn of all CREATION;

(CEV) ... He is the FIRST-BORN Son, superior to all creation.

The KJV refers to His family/genealogical status as progenitor of all. The modern versions, again, make Him a created creature. Jesus is part of the creation in these modern versions. If he is part of the creation, he's not the Creator and he's not God.

If the modern versions (in English or Greek) are right in these verses, we are wasting our time as Christians. We are following a created man with the same sin nature we have. If the modern versions are correct in these verses, we might as well go out and get drunk, because we have no Saviour and no hope.

You say they have the deity of Christ in other verses? What good is a Bible version that strips Jesus of His deity HALF the time, but has it in other places? I want more than a HALF-BAKED Jesus out of my Bible.

NOT SO FAST!

In two passages, speaking about the disciples failure to cast out strong devils, and a third related verse, Jesus (and Paul) told them:

Matt 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and FASTING.

Mark 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by *nothing, but* by prayer and FASTING.

1 Cor 7:5  Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to FASTING and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

This is the ONLY way to resist these strong devils, according to Jesus Christ (and the apostle Paul). These are the ONLY three places where this vital doctrine is mentioned in scripture (if you don't think being armed to resist the devil is vital, try fighting him unarmed!). Do the modern versions give us this vital information?

Matt 17:21 (NIV) ENTIRE VERSE REMOVED

Mark 9:29 (NIV) He replied, "This kind can come out only by prayer."

1 Cor 7:5 (NIV) Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

Only by prayer? This version removes the way to defeat strong devils from ALL THREE verses.

Matt 17:21 (NASB) Most ancient mss do not contain this verse

Mark 9:29 (NASB) And He said to them, "This kind cannot come out by anything but prayer."

1 Cor 7:5 (NASB) Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

Uh oh, this version forces us to battle strong devils unarmed as well.

Matt 17:21 (RSV) ENTIRE VERSE REMOVED

Mark 9:29 (RSV) And he said to them, "This kind cannot be driven out by anything but prayer."

1 Cor 7:5 (RSV) Do not refuse one another except perhaps by agreement for a season, that you may devote yourselves to prayer. but then come back together again, lest Satan tempt you through lack of self control.

How about the version-du-jour, the RSV update, the ESV?

Matt 17:21 (ESV) ENTIRE VERSE REMOVED

Mark 9:29 (ESV) And he said to them, "This kind cannot be driven out by anything but prayer."

1 Cor 7:5 ESV) Do not deprive one another except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer. but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self control.

No fasting? This version is also making you fight strong devils with one hand behind your back.

Matt 17:21 (ASV) But this kind goeth not out save by prayer and fasting.

Mark 9:29 (ASV) And he said unto them, This kind can come out by nothing, save by prayer.

1 Cor 7:5 (ASV) Defraud ye not one the other, except it be by consent for a season, that ye may give yourselves unto prayer, and may be together again, that Satan tempt you not because of your incontinency.

ONE out of THREE! But finally a MV at least mentions it. That's really sad when the other MVs omit this vital doctrine ALTOGETHER and we must scour them to find one mention.

Now who would not want you to know how to battle strong devils?

CATHOLIC FRIENDLY VERSIONS

The modern versions are very Catholic friendly. Of course, with Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini being an editor of the UBS Greek text underlying all the MVs, that shouldn't be a surprise. Condensed from Dr. Doug Stauffer's book, "One Book Stands Alone":

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MVs promote auricular confession of sins to a priest. (KJV = faults)

(NIV) James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

(NASV) James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

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MVs magnify Mary above others. (KJV = among women)

(NIV) Luke 1:28 The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."

(NASV) Luke 1:28 And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you."

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MVs allow for Mary to be perpetual virgin. (KJV = firstborn)

(NIV) Matt 1:25 But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

(NASV) Matt 1:25 but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.

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NIV removes idol worship prohibition. (KJV = sacrifice unto idols)

(NIV) I Cor 10:28 But if anyone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake-

(NIV) II Sam 5:21 The Philistines abandoned their idols there, and David and his men carried them off. (KJV has them burned!)

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NIV disguises tradition. (KJV = tradition)

(NIV) I Pet 1:18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers,

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NIV omits prohibition against "vain repetition" in prayer. Get out your rosary and say 10 Hail Marys.

(NIV) Matt 6:7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

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MVs help Peter become recognized as Pope. (KJV = stone)

(NIV) John 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas" (which, when translated, is Peter).

(NASV) John 1:42 He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon the son of John; you shall be called Cephas" (which is translated Peter).

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MVs turn ministering into priestly duties!

NIV) Rom 15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

(NASV) Romans 15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

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MVs promote self-torture, like crawling up steps on knees or being nailed to a crucifix.

(NIV) I Cor 9:27 No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

(NIV) Gal 5:12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

(NASV) Gal 5:12 I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.

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NIV promotes the Inquisition (KJV = suffereth violence)

(NIV) Matt 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.

VERSIONS SAY DIFFERENT THINGS

The argument is not over where the MVs say the same thing as the KJB using synonymous terms (although we still believe EVERY WORD of God is pure, and we live by EVERY WORD of God), the argument is that the MVs say DIFFERENT, and CONFLICTING things. To attempt to reconcile these things, MV supporters have to do incredible linguistic gyrations that would impress a circus contortionist. I find it hard to believe that in their hearts, they don't know they are doing this.

Here are a few examples:

KJB John 1:18 ­ No man hath seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN SON, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

NIV John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

NASB John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN GOD who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

RSV John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the ONLY SON, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.

No matter how you slice it, these four all say DIFFERENT things. They do not say the same thing in different words. They do not have the same "message" or doctrine here.

The NIV calls the One at the Father's side, "God the One and Only". Does that mean the Father is not God? The verse doesn't even say that Jesus is God's Son at all here, it refers to THE Father. That doesn't even say He's Jesus' Father!

The NASB reads along with the JWs NWT doctrine and makes Jesus a BEGOTTEN GOD, instead of a begotten SON. Yet, MVers will reject the NWT and accept the NASB as a "valid" Bible, despite this BLATANT DAMNABLE HERESY of making Jesus a CREATED god. For this one horrific heresy alone, the NASB should be rejected by anyone with the spiritual discernment of a dried raison.

The RSV errs in the other direction. Whereas the other two omit the word "Son", this one omits the word "begotten". So now we have Jesus being the ONLY Son of God.  Batfeathers! ANY saved person is a Son of God! This is a doctrinal error.

MV supporters will tie themselves in knots trying to make all four of those verses contain the same "message", but any HONEST person knows they all say DIFFERENT, CONFLICTING things, including false doctrine and blatant heresy.

Several other examples have been covered in the past.

* In Mark 1:2 the KJV rightly attributes the quote to "the prophets", whereas most MVs WRONGLY attribute the quote to Isaiah, even though it was Malachi who wrote the quote in Mark 1:2 (Isaiah wrote the quote in Mark 1:3).

* In Titus 3:10 the KJV rightly warns us to AVOID a HERETIC, whereas the MVs WRONGLY warn us to REJECT a DIVISIVE man. Jesus was divisive -  He was not a heretic.

* In Acts 25:6, the KJV rightly says "MORE THAN ten days", while many MVs wrongly say "NOT more than ..." - the opposite!

An MVer might say there are Greek manuscripts supporting both readings (and we agree that the Greek mss say different things too!). Well, if there are, they are still NOT saying the same thing - they are in absolute CONTRADICTION. The claim is that the MVs have the same "message". No they don't.

One has to turn these verses inside-out to pretend they say the same thing. It would be nice if an MV supporter would be HONEST and admit that the MVs sometimes say DIFFERENT and CONFLICTING things and that they are NOT the same as the KJV. You cannot HONESTLY say you believe BOTH the KJV and any MVs, because they clearly do NOT say the same things. If you BELIEVE one, you  CANNOT actually believe the other. Ergo, an MVer does not BELIEVE *ANY* Bible. They DOUBT them ALL, at least in some places - no matter how often they claim to be Bible believers. They are Bible infidels.