The argument is not over where the MVs say the same thing as the
KJB using synonymous terms (although we still believe EVERY WORD of God is
pure, and we live by EVERY WORD of God), the argument is that the MVs say
DIFFERENT, and CONFLICTING things. To attempt to reconcile these things, MV supporters have to do incredible linguistic gyrations that would impress a
circus contortionist. I find it hard to believe that in their hearts, they
don't know they are doing this.
Here are a few examples:
KJB John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN SON, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
NIV John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
NASB John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN GOD who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
RSV John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the ONLY SON, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.
No matter how you slice it, these four all say DIFFERENT things. They do not say the same thing in different words. They do not have the same "message" or doctrine here.
The NIV calls the One at the Father's side, "God the One and Only". Does that mean the Father is not God? The verse doesn't even say that Jesus is God's Son at all here, it refers to THE Father. That doesn't even say He's Jesus' Father!
The NASB reads along with the JWs NWT doctrine and makes Jesus a BEGOTTEN GOD, instead of a begotten SON. Yet, MVers will reject the NWT and accept the NASB as a "valid" Bible, despite this BLATANT DAMNABLE HERESY of making Jesus a CREATED god. For this one horrific heresy alone, the NASB should be rejected by anyone with the spiritual discernment of a dried raison.
The RSV errs in the other direction. Whereas the other two omit the word "Son", this one omits the word "begotten". So now we have Jesus being the ONLY Son of God. Batfeathers! ANY saved person is a Son of God! This is a doctrinal error.
MV supporters will tie themselves in knots trying to make all four of those verses contain the same "message", but any HONEST person knows they all say DIFFERENT, CONFLICTING things, including false doctrine and blatant heresy.
Several other examples have been covered in the past.
* In Mark 1:2 the KJV rightly attributes the quote to "the prophets", whereas most MVs WRONGLY attribute the quote to Isaiah, even though it was Malachi who wrote the quote in Mark 1:2 (Isaiah wrote the quote in Mark 1:3).
* In Titus 3:10 the KJV rightly warns us to AVOID a HERETIC, whereas the MVs WRONGLY warn us to REJECT a DIVISIVE man. Jesus was divisive - He was not a heretic.
* In Acts 25:6, the KJV rightly says "MORE THAN ten days", while many MVs wrongly say "NOT more than ..." - the opposite!
An MVer might say there are Greek manuscripts supporting both readings (and we agree that the Greek mss say different things too!). Well, if there are, they are still NOT saying the same thing - they are in absolute CONTRADICTION. The claim is that the MVs have the same "message". No they don't.
One has to turn these verses inside-out to pretend they say the same thing. It would be nice if an MV supporter would be HONEST and admit that the MVs sometimes say DIFFERENT and CONFLICTING things and that they are NOT the same as the KJV. You cannot HONESTLY say you believe BOTH the KJV and any MVs, because they clearly do NOT say the same things. If you BELIEVE one, you CANNOT actually believe the other. Ergo, an MVer does not BELIEVE *ANY* Bible. They DOUBT them ALL, at least in some places - no matter how often they claim to be Bible believers. They are Bible infidels.
Here are a few examples:
KJB John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN SON, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
NIV John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
NASB John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only BEGOTTEN GOD who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
RSV John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the ONLY SON, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.
No matter how you slice it, these four all say DIFFERENT things. They do not say the same thing in different words. They do not have the same "message" or doctrine here.
The NIV calls the One at the Father's side, "God the One and Only". Does that mean the Father is not God? The verse doesn't even say that Jesus is God's Son at all here, it refers to THE Father. That doesn't even say He's Jesus' Father!
The NASB reads along with the JWs NWT doctrine and makes Jesus a BEGOTTEN GOD, instead of a begotten SON. Yet, MVers will reject the NWT and accept the NASB as a "valid" Bible, despite this BLATANT DAMNABLE HERESY of making Jesus a CREATED god. For this one horrific heresy alone, the NASB should be rejected by anyone with the spiritual discernment of a dried raison.
The RSV errs in the other direction. Whereas the other two omit the word "Son", this one omits the word "begotten". So now we have Jesus being the ONLY Son of God. Batfeathers! ANY saved person is a Son of God! This is a doctrinal error.
MV supporters will tie themselves in knots trying to make all four of those verses contain the same "message", but any HONEST person knows they all say DIFFERENT, CONFLICTING things, including false doctrine and blatant heresy.
Several other examples have been covered in the past.
* In Mark 1:2 the KJV rightly attributes the quote to "the prophets", whereas most MVs WRONGLY attribute the quote to Isaiah, even though it was Malachi who wrote the quote in Mark 1:2 (Isaiah wrote the quote in Mark 1:3).
* In Titus 3:10 the KJV rightly warns us to AVOID a HERETIC, whereas the MVs WRONGLY warn us to REJECT a DIVISIVE man. Jesus was divisive - He was not a heretic.
* In Acts 25:6, the KJV rightly says "MORE THAN ten days", while many MVs wrongly say "NOT more than ..." - the opposite!
An MVer might say there are Greek manuscripts supporting both readings (and we agree that the Greek mss say different things too!). Well, if there are, they are still NOT saying the same thing - they are in absolute CONTRADICTION. The claim is that the MVs have the same "message". No they don't.
One has to turn these verses inside-out to pretend they say the same thing. It would be nice if an MV supporter would be HONEST and admit that the MVs sometimes say DIFFERENT and CONFLICTING things and that they are NOT the same as the KJV. You cannot HONESTLY say you believe BOTH the KJV and any MVs, because they clearly do NOT say the same things. If you BELIEVE one, you CANNOT actually believe the other. Ergo, an MVer does not BELIEVE *ANY* Bible. They DOUBT them ALL, at least in some places - no matter how often they claim to be Bible believers. They are Bible infidels.
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